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    Lets say starting with the 308 and running up til the 360. What is spares availability like? Do the factory support all their old models or are some types of spare part becoming difficult

    And what about electronics / ECUs and similar? Cant help but think of the issues we get trying to run old software on modern PCs and imagine it might be difficult to port the software for a 360 onto a modern Bosch ECU.

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    Can only speak for the 348 but have never had a problem. They’ve been seen as a solid DIY option for years, particularly in the US where the engine out is a silly price, so there’s a wealth of information out there together with several good aftermarket suppliers who do a lot for the 348. There’s also a thing called the 348 parts interchange on FChat - it tells you what other motors back in period used the same part so if say your MAF goes you don’t need to find a 348 being broken, you can go find another car (Volvo or Saab from memory) which used the same part. You can often get the part for a fraction of the price if it came off a Volvo rather than a Ferrari, same part though. ECU wise there are places that fix the older simpler ones, Nick used one recently. Again, fraction of the cost of replacing.

    I’d think other models both slightly older and slightly newer are pretty similar and not much of a problem. There’s possibly not quite the same level of help out there with other models as the DIY base for the 348 in the US is a little unique in some ways. For instance, want to do cam timing, remove your climate control panel, even remove the whole engine with a step by step showing every nut with size you need to undo - there’s a vid on Youtube showing you how. Not sure you quite see this level of help with other models.
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    Just a few examples:

    Engine removal - https://youtu.be/ZQG0zQi48ck
    Everything you need to do once itís out (several hours in lots of parts) - https://youtu.be/FpFnNurzzQI
    Cam timing - https://youtu.be/QwGTgyswA8o
    Clutch regrease - https://youtu.be/cSUy7BPzdWc
    Tripple seal replacement - https://youtu.be/yVmpOHpsVLM
    HVAC removal - https://youtu.be/13VKbQ9eO8A

    Thereís really not much of a snag finding out how to do something on a 348 and Iíd think itís similar with other models if not quite as thoroughly covered.

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    On previous " classic" cars the things that have been most difficult have been the plastic moulded partd and shiny bits like door handles. But now I wonder about the electronics in particular - its one thing to get a replace for a simnple ecu running the FI and timing - its altogether different once you start including immobilisers, door openingstracker etc. Or at least I imagine it is. Oily bits like cranks can always be made by some specialist, but ECUs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    On previous " classic" cars the things that have been most difficult have been the plastic moulded partd and shiny bits like door handles. But now I wonder about the electronics in particular - its one thing to get a replace for a simnple ecu running the FI and timing - its altogether different once you start including immobilisers, door openingstracker etc. Or at least I imagine it is. Oily bits like cranks can always be made by some specialist, but ECUs?
    Bottom line is there are less of those electronics on an older car than on a newer one. Re plastic moulded parts - 3D printers can be used if you get completely stuck but I've yet to have the need. I did have a roof clamp break once, I could get a replacement but it was a silly price - I got the broken part of the clamp machined for a fraction of the price by a local firm. There are companies who specialist in repairing older ECUs which, as I said, others have had success with. As newer cars get older I think you'll find you'd have more snags of the type you fear than you will with a 308/328/348 - the newer cars are simply more complex.

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    Going back to the original non injected 308s (including GT4s) there are no electronics so that problem doesn't occur. Biggest problem is on some trim parts (bumpers, light clusters etc). Steering column switch gear is a problem. Most of the mechanicals are available though increasingly some things such as complete replacement gearboxes (used) are beginning to become a problem though there still does seem to be supply if you know where to look.

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    The 355 seems to have a big enough following that anything that either can't be provided by the factory, or is provided by the factory but is of poor quality, a non-OEM solution is available, whether that's an off-the-shelf replacement part (e.g. Hill bearings or suspension actuator gears), or instructions for building your own (e.g. catalyst thermocouple amplifiers).

    +1 to the above statements that a lot of the parts are generic items from big OEMs such as Bosch, or are assemblies that can be taken apart and the broken part re-manufactured or otherwise repaired.

    As for the electronics, they're nowhere near as complex as modern automotive electronics. I've repaired my 355's HVAC panel using a soldering iron and pennies worth of bits from Maplin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redwedge View Post

    As for the electronics, they're nowhere near as complex as modern automotive electronics. I've repaired my 355's HVAC panel using a soldering iron and pennies worth of bits from Maplin.
    Interesting comment. I have had real problems with boat electronics because they are "surface mount" and because the internal components are not the sort you can buy but are specially made for the manufacturer. No doubt modern Ferrari are like that too, but I wonder when they changed. 360? 430? 458?

    Who are the specialised companies that do ECUs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    Interesting comment. I have had real problems with boat electronics because they are "surface mount" and because the internal components are not the sort you can buy but are specially made for the manufacturer. No doubt modern Ferrari are like that too, but I wonder when they changed. 360? 430? 458?

    Who are the specialised companies that do ECUs?
    See post #674 here for one example but there are several companies out there doing this:

    http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/...849#post832849

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    360Trev is doing a lot of work on 360 ECU's and the threads are on Fchat. The simple answer is the Bosch 7.3 ECU's are difficult to repair due to their architecture and it seems they are a special as so far Trev hasn't identified a compatible ECU (e,g from an Alfa or Fiat Panda) that could be reflashed with the 360 software.
    As things become an issue, clever people tend to step in an solve them. This is a great example and Trev is sharing his knowledge for free (although it is way above my head). Simon Stoyce (?) has also provided a service for the expensive F1 components.

    Main dealers will supply new ECU's it's just that the price for a set of two and a paired immobiliser is ball breaking, hence Trev doing what he's doing.

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/th...60trev.584100/

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/th...eality.579592/

    As before though it looks like you're reading forums and finding things to worry about. 18,000 360's were made and there will always be plenty of spare parts floating around. It may need a bit of creativity and time to solve problems though and unless it's your daily driver it's nothing to worry about. I actually find researching issues and looking for creative ways to solve them quite interesting.
    As I said before early in my ownership I could get myself in a similar place. I nearly didn't buy one after reading about exhaust variator failures, but in nearly 7 years my 360 has; never let me down, never 'thrown' a CEL, never not started, provided me with a whole bunch of new friends, enabled the ticking of several bucket list items. If it breaks I'll fix it. If it breaks too often and ruins the ownership, I'll sell it. Even if I had to scrap it now, I'd still see it as good value.

    Just go into it with your eyes open. Don't read 'bad news' threads and enjoy the car.
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